Mark Janus Doesn't Want to Join a Union.

Author:Gillespie, Nick
Position:Q&A - Interview

Mark Janus is a child support specialist for the state of Illinois who has lent his name to a Supreme Court case that could dramatically change the landscape for public sector unions. The former Eagle Scout sued the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees when he learned the assosiation could deduct dues from his paycheck even though he wasn't a member and didn't want its reps negotiating his salary and benefits. The high court heard arguments in February and will likely issue a ruling this summer. Days before he appeared before the justices, Janus spoke to Reason's Nick Gillespie about what he's hoping to accomplish.

Q: What's the crux of your case?

A: That I have to pay a fee to the union even though I'm not a member of the union, and I wasn't asked for consent.

Q: If the union helps you get a better compensation package, that's beside the point?

A: Correct. My right to say no is just as important as my right to say yes. I wasn't allowed to say, "No, I don't want to pay this." I either pay the union fee or I lose my job.

Q: Would you be able to hammer out a better deal on your own?

A: Whether I can get a better deal on my own or not, that's not the question. The question is my First Amendment rights to speech and freedom of association.

Q: University of California, Los Angeles, law professor Eugene Volokh, whose blog is hosted by Reason, filed a friend-of-the-court brief against your position, saying there's not a First Amendment issue here--taxpayers are constantly being forced to pay for activities they don't approve of, and it's not unconstitutional because tax money is not speech. What do you think of that?

A: I totally disagree. In the most recent round of negotiations, when our current governor said no to the demands the union was making, the union held rallies around the state pushing for a tax increase.

Q: And the cost of that rally is charged to you?

A: That's unknown. But because they're out there asking for increases in benefits, and they're lobbying for tax increases to pay for it, to me that's...

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