Joshua Browder Is Building You a Robot Lawyer.

Author:Monticello, Justin
Position::Q&A - Interview
 
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Joshua Browder was drowning in parking fines when he realized the British government's labyrinthine appeals process could be navigated more quickly by software than by a person. As a teenager he built the DoNotPay app to do just that. But three years later, Browder has much bigger ambitions: He'd like to see robot lawyers replace humans, doing all manner of legal work for (virtually) free.

Now 21, the Stanford-trained wunderkind is developing artificial intelligence-driven algorithms to help American and British residents navigate the web of laws that can turn a small mistake, such as a traffic ticket accidentally left unpaid, into a bench warrant. And he's particularly interested in helping people make sense of the two countries' immigration systems.

"One of the biggest projects we have coming up is helping people who need to get their relatives into the United States legally," he says. "In the past we've also helped refugees claim asylum in the U.K., and also helped homeless people claim government housing. All of these processes are so bureaucratic that if you have no resources at all, it really is impossible to get the help you need."

In August, Browder spoke to Reason's Justin Monticello at his team's Palo Alto headquarters--the same house Mark Zuckerberg rented during his first summer there--about the project.

Q: When did you start coding?

A: When I was 12.1 started by jailbreaking my phone to get custom app icons because I didn't like the ones that Apple used. It was a slippery slope from that.

Q: What were the origins of DoNotPay?

A: It all started when I turned 18 in the U.K. and got a huge number of parking tickets. I didn't have any money, so I trolled through all of these obscure government documents and began writing appeal letters. Then I realized, as a programmer, that this is the perfect job for software. Just three years later, over $16 million of parking tickets have been overturned using DoNotPay. This made me realize that a robot lawyer could help people in a lot of different areas.

Q: What happens when people actually get to court to contest these things?

A: At that point we actually give you a script, which you can read yourself. I think robots will eventually be allowed in court, but until that day comes, people can almost be a conduit for the robot. Lawyers like to make it seem like the law is rocket science, but in reality, it's just society's operating system.

Q: Are you worried that companies like LegalZoom may...

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