Green on the outside, red on the inside.

• Author: Feine, Paul
• Position: Soundbite - James Delingpole - Interview

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In November 2009, an anonymous hacker posted leaked email messages revealing that climatologists at the University of East Anglia had suppressed data and manipulated findings in their global warming research. But it was James Delingpole's London Telegraph column analyzing the leaked communiques that turned the incident into an international scandal--Climategate--and helped rocket him to fame. It also provided inspiration for his newest book, Watermelons: The Green Movement's True Colors (Publius). Delingpole spoke with reason.tv producer Paul Feine in Los Angeles in September.

Q: What does the title of your book mean?

A: I call the book Watermelons because they're green on the outside but red on the inside. After the Berlin Wall came down, the communist movement, the global leftist movement, was left in a bit of a quandary. They pretty much lost the economic argument. They needed somewhere else to go, and global warming has become the great proxy issue. It enables them to achieve many of the same aims as before but under a cloak of green righteousness. This book, although it is about global warming, is about something in fact much, much bigger than that. It is about a global takeover by fascism, communism, call it what you will; their aims are much the same. It is about control.

Q: One of your chapters is called "It's Not About the Science." If it's not about the science, what is it about?

A: It is about politics. According to the theory, as anthropogenic C[O.sub.2] levels rise dramatically, global temperatures will rise with them. But actually they haven't been. There's been no global warming since 1998. Well, C[O.sub.2] hasn't stopped rising, so it must be slightly more complicated than these doom mongers are saying. I feel I can speak for pretty much everyone on my side of the argument. We are not in it for the lies. All we want is open debate for the truth to get out. If the data--real data, as opposed to adjusted data--show that the world is getting dangerously hot and that there is a definite connection between...